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Chris Dorian of Buildsort on Crypto Clothesline
September 07, 2018 Crypto Clothesline
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Chris Dorian of Buildsort on Crypto Clothesline

September 07, 2018

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The building and construction industry is riddled with points of failure from the speed with technology adoption, environmental sustainability all the way to lack of communication between key players in a project. This week we interview Chris Dorian the co-founder of Buildsort and the man behind the software. On the clothesline we promote projects that are going to positively impact on the planet and women who are making waves in the blockchain and cryptocurrency industry. Buildsort is set to incredibly disrupt the construction industry with the software that will put every detail including the colour of paint on your bathroom walls into their software which is utilising blockchain technology. Buildsort aims to tackle multiple issues in the industry including the ever increasing amount of construction waste heading to landfill. The construction industry is continuing to face the result of their adverse effects on the environment due to the industry producing 25-40% of the world’s carbon emissions. These issues are on the global agenda therefore forcing the industry to make changes including the adoption of technologies like that of Buildsort in order to track waste and remedy the environmental impacts of the construction industry on the planet. In this episode we also uncover the other benefits of the Buildsort technology including tracking the materials and chemicals in a build, the effects on revenue once the construction industry adopts technology to save money and the enhanced communication between all parties in a construction project. For more info see: https://buildsort.com
The building and construction industry is riddled with points of failure from the speed with technology adoption, environmental sustainability all the way to lack of communication between key players in a project. This week we interview Chris Dorian the co-founder of Buildsort and the man behind the software. On the clothesline we promote projects that are going to positively impact on the planet and women who are making waves in the blockchain and cryptocurrency industry. Buildsort is set to incredibly disrupt the construction industry with the software that will put every detail including the colour of paint on your bathroom walls into their software which is utilising blockchain technology. Buildsort aims to tackle multiple issues in the industry including the ever increasing amount of construction waste heading to landfill. The construction industry is continuing to face the result of their adverse effects on the environment due to the industry producing 25-40% of the world’s carbon emissions. These issues are on the global agenda therefore forcing the industry to make changes including the adoption of technologies like that of Buildsort in order to track waste and remedy the environmental impacts of the construction industry on the planet. In this episode we also uncover the other benefits of the Buildsort technology including tracking the materials and chemicals in a build, the effects on revenue once the construction industry adopts technology to save money and the enhanced communication between all parties in a construction project. For more info see: https://buildsort.com

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1:0:08Do.

Speaker 2:0:32Hello, Amy Rose. Hello a bit. How are you today?

Speaker 3:0:37Thanks for asking. Wait, I'm actually doing pretty well today. Thank you. What about you

Speaker 2:0:44don't really want to talk about the weather because that small talk and I try and avoid small talk, big talk, but I do have to say the weather is so effing good. I love rain. I love the code. I love snuggling. Cuddles. It's pretty sweet. I am. I'm just a fricking sugar cube today. Sugar, sugar, and honey bee. Okay. I think we'd better stop singing. Yeah, that's cool. So welcome to critical design. I may be raised and I'm a b team and we're all about bringing women to the front of his wealth revolution. Seriously, we have. This show is all about interviewing women in Kritzer and block chain and we speak

Speaker 3:1:32two men too because we like men too. Don't wait.

Speaker 2:1:34We did love men. I mean I do. Well, I do too. Twinsies.

Speaker 3:1:41It's really important to us that women don't miss out on this inflammation and I don't know about you and your regular conversations, but I find a lot of people, a lot of women that I speak to in general, they either know nothing about bitcoin or blockchain or they think it's the same thing or they just think it's too boring and I get that because I think I had that attitude a while back as well, but you and I really, really passionate to make sure that women don't miss that and we really want women to start listening up to technical stuff and to financial stuff to not turn off so that they actually can do this for themselves and their kids.

Speaker 2:2:13Yeah. So you really need to listen to this whole episode. But this week we are speaking to a boy, a man I should say, and it's Chris Dorian from build and we do like Chris Dorian from bill saw this week. He's sending a woman to represent him at the Australian blockchain mission to Shanghai and Taipei 2018 and he's diego sending Danielle and we're interviewing Chris Dorian today on how his project is going to impact the building and construction industry and overall the trillions of dollars that are currently being wasted and the impact on the environment because of construction and all

Speaker 4:3:00the stuff happening that's disgusting in the world and how build sort might actually remedy a couple of these problems

Speaker 3:3:06and it's not just the sustainability aspects like how much waste there is in, in construction and I. I appreciate that. There's a lot. It's not just about sustainability as part of the interview that we've done, we spoke with building biologist, Deann, his lot, Quinn, and she is all about identifying toxic materials in construction and letting people know what they can be replaced with, have a similar strength or nature so that our homes and our work environments are basically not toxic cesspits pits that we're breathing in and absorbing chemicals.

Speaker 4:3:38Well, let's have a listen to this short interview that you had with Dan. Yeah.

Speaker 3:3:42And so having all that information in one place would provide transparency given that parties had access to the information, it would provide awareness for people and thereby creating much more education around this because I think we've both agreed that a lot of people don't realize how dangerous their living environments, where their working environments are and where there's education. We can also look at prevention.

Speaker 4:4:04Absolutely. And I think not to overlook if there is an issue with a bill of material, there is some kind of accountability or understanding of how widely spread that material is being used. And a fantastic example of that. It's with the that we're finding coming up in the fittings and force it in a what a tapson in such as what's happened in the children's Hospital in Perth, which has been a huge issue. We opened a new school in Perth. I go really? And the first day that they were handing out our water because it didn't pass the lead testing. Now we had some form of record to know where those feelings were coming formed and the materials which are recycled. Generally. If it's not NSF approved, which they were using in those fittings, then we wouldn't be able to start wanting other areas that had used those materials that they are likely to be exposing people or occupants or workers to high levels of lead in their drinking water, which we know there is no safe level for lit. That is a huge issue and that's a great example of where it be very, very useful to have that kind of lecture.

Speaker 3:5:10That's really important. So having this information stored on the blockchain, accessible to all parties in the in the construction mode and not only for. For people in sort of wealthy wealthy households that are building their own places, let's say, but also people in developing countries that are perhaps using something like this organization builds sort to help reconstruct an entire community that they can also put, put forward this information in and have access to this information so that they're also able to create healthy homes and healthy healthy building.

Speaker 4:5:43And just even from an assistant perspective, to be able to look at a home and even if it has used materials that aren't great for the environment, aren't right for the occupant, we can look at that and assess and go, okay, well how long has has been built for? What is the likelihood that that is continuing to have guests on there? What? Are there other materials that may have absorbed those? Getting Vic, is it okay for this person? Yes or no? Do they have children under the age of five? Yes or no? Are they looking for. We can really assess it for its compatibility with another person. Are these products likely to create more? Is the personnel. It's sensitive. It's really, I do think it's really endless as to how it came to USD.

Speaker 3:6:25Well, they're really fantastic use cases that you've come up with and really, uh, examples that touch everybody's lives. Everything from paint to taps. Well thank you so much for joining us, Dan and imbuing us with all your wonderful nottage on this subject. So short interview was a bit tricky because it was so much to talk about it

Speaker 2:6:45and I think the building and construction industry is so diverse now. There's a lot of business going on in the ECO building design arena and building sustainable materials, nontoxic materials, and I'm all for that. That's actually something that you and I, when we build a house, we're probably going to build it with like grass and leaves. We actually use the blockchain to identify how many leaves we used in our walls. The interview with Chris was actually really seriously good and it happened just before the bridge collapsed in Genova and ebt. You actually interviewed Chris after this interview on the bridge collapsed. What did you talk about in that interview?

Speaker 3:7:32Well, we talked about the fact that it was something very close to my heart because I lived in Geneva for the best part of a decade. That's where I learned my Italian. That's where my first husband was from and it's where we live together. And the first thing that I found out when I saw that the Genova bridge had collapsed was this huge heart connection to make sure that everyone was safe. So then speaking to Chris, he started to unpack some of the reasons why the bridge may have collapsed and how that could have been remedied if the construction of the bridge and all the materials used in the bridge and the conferring between designers, architects, engineers, and all the other experts that supposedly are there to put those sorts of projects together. If they'd all been on the same page. If they could check each other's work, it potentially may never have happened

Speaker 2:8:14and he. He also mentioned in in his telegram group which will put in the show notes and we'll also put in the show notes. Your other interview that you did with him personally face to face in the interview that you'll hear today. He also goes over how construction waste is being used in building structures at the moment and in tunnels in Asia. And then you had this correlation in the interview as well, where you were mentioning about when when you were doing renovations over in Italy that they literally had junk in the walls. There's definitely a connection here with people cutting corners in building design and why perhaps at that bridge suffered because mentioned that the mafia was involved in constructing that bridge and water down the concrete so it didn't actually have the strength required to sustain its complete lifecycle.

Speaker 3:9:06That's that's one of the theories like when you start to go down the rabbit hole of why that happened there. Lots of different theories, but I'm. I'm pretty sure that we could. We could safely assume that would be some massive organization, postwar Italy that was able to buy the contract or when the contract, so to speak and build these bridges. And he also mentioned that they were like another 12 bridges in in Italy that had collapsed in recent times and that there were, I don't know, over 100 bridges that were nominated throughout France that were also saying to be a danger.

Speaker 2:9:38Yeah. I think people really need to take a serious look at the building and construction industry and how it actually ease impacting on the planet and putting these things in the building and construction industry on the blockchain will make people, companies, businesses build is accountable.

Speaker 3:9:56It's accountability, but it's also about cross-communication so that Chris and the interview talks about the fact that the building industry is so fragmented and there are so many different specialists or or people that have quite specific skills coming in to contribute to the construction of a building, but that also it's so heavily regulated so it's not just the people doing the physical work, but it's all the theory and the apparent safety and all the things behind it. But another aspect that he mentions is also reparations. So he also mentioned that bill had been approached to go into the British Virgin Islands in terms of helping them recover after Hurricane Irma and Hurricane Maria. And by having everything on the blockchain, there would be a lot less wastage of materials. But also when the funds were sent to hope, with the reparation, you could actually see what that were. Being spent,

Speaker 2:10:42I think build sort at the moment, the construction industry based, but I'm imagining in the future that their technology is actually going to be very useful for so many industries connecting because there are other industries out there and we we love talking about block chain and the supply chain, but even in the medical industry, if everyone was accountable, if the communication was 100 percent and everything ran smoothly, everyone knew what they were doing. The communication and the accountability, it was 100 percent. I think we wouldn't have the problems that we have. You know, in elementary talking about Australia, we've got pretty good medical services, but worldwide they would sort of. Technology I think can be applied to that as well.

Speaker 3:11:25Yeah. I just think if you go into any country, any place and you just want to get stuff done, whether you're building a house or getting well or recovering from an illness or whatever it is, it's actually really a lot tougher than it always feels at the beginning when you start getting into all the short and curlies. Although the dreariness of of Admin and and modern day sort of systems of just trying to get your questions answered. I think that's absolutely right. Amy Rhodes that's ever listened to the interview. Welcome to Crypto clothesline, Chris Dorian from bill sort.

Speaker 5:11:55Hi Baby. How are you?

Speaker 6:11:56I'm very well, thank you. If you were going to describe to somebody on the street who's never heard of build sort before and break it down into absolute lay woman's terms, how would you describe it?

Speaker 5:12:07Okay, so we're a data platform for the building and construction industry, so we're grabbing data from people that have them generally that's the engineers and they use this technology called BIM building information modeling. So it's a three d modeling and we can take the data. So not only is it just a three day model or representation of what will be built. There's ways that you can take out onto these specifications of what the walls are made out of and things like that. So there's a lot of data that can be in used by every subcontractor, every builder, every material supplier after that. So they are the ones that would be purchasing this inflammation. So if you think about it, every single one of them has to form a quiet generally, that means they need it is tomatoes and need to do material takeoffs. The platform we were aware of that exchange to happen is a process called just in time manufacturing. It was invented by Toyota way back when and basically what that means is they can, they produce only the components when they actually made them. So they then took that to America. So the American car companies have borrowed that since then and after five years they did a study on this and they worked out that they reduced their costs by 50 percent and the storage costs by 70 percent. So there's savings to be had by just bringing just in time manufacturing to the construction industry.

Speaker 2:13:39I'm going to give everyone a real world problem here and probably the listeners don't know this yet, but we, my partner and I are in a flooring business. And so to give you some context, everybody, when my partner goes to a manufacturer to obtain some flooring, he is sometimes told that they don't have enough stock for him, so he has to put a job off to like sometimes a month away until they can get that in because the communication between the manufacturer and you know the supply and what's going on in this development and what's going on that there's not very efficient communication going on. So a lot of the time the industry falls behind, the costs go up because trades can't work together and oftentimes you don't have the materials that you need or there's an oversupply of materials because this information isn't available. So my impression of what Chris is saying is that people who are in the industry won't have an oversupply or under supply, they will have the exact amount of supply because of the communication. Is that right, Chris?

Speaker 5:14:44That's right. Yeah. So the, the daughter is not available for what the demand is. So that is basically the problem that we're fixing for the manufacturers. So I've been speaking to a manufacturer just this week and he nearly fell off his chair basically, why hasn't this been done before and what's your method? So they, they're very excited about the possibilities that, that would bring to their business. We know that the marketplace is there and then we'll be adoption. Yeah, we just need to get a few more people, uh, talked to a few more. And so when the same story and um, we can really fix the building industry.

Speaker 6:15:23You described bill sort as a big data platform for, for the building and construction industry. So does that mean it doesn't include little guys who are subcontractors who might be painting houses or are you talking about bringing the business together?

Speaker 5:15:36No, we're talking about everybody build tool will be free to use. Everyone will be able to get onto the platform which makes it readily accessible by everyone. So they can also, you know, tell the builders when they're available, maybe they've been delayed on a, on another site as well. So you know, we have all the scheduling between all of the different parties that are involved on, on a project, you know, is it really powerful schilling quantities, costs basically everything for the, for the building construction industry

Speaker 6:16:08and like a great big organizational platform. It's sort of like giving everyone their relevant information they need to create more efficiency.

Speaker 5:16:16Exactly. So will you also have been approached by all sorts of different organizations out there as well? So we were approached by some projects in the Caribbean looking at the rebuilding of British Virgin Isles after the hurricanes that they had over there. So when, when these happened, this, all of these contributions that come in from different places and they want to make sure that, you know, no one's spending the money in inappropriate ways. So basically having an open ledger for the building of these projects,

Speaker 6:16:50would that mean that that all, all of that is on, on build sorts and it's on the blockchain. So there's transparency for the parties to see how the money's being spent.

Speaker 5:16:58Absolutely. So we are using a consortium blockchain so we have the ability to open up or close it as we as needed. So with these is a relief kind of projects that could be open for the different projects, say for project home or something like that, we can close them down because the building and construction industry is that. I like to keep a lot of things private as well.

Speaker 6:17:23That's very interesting. And so when you're talking about the Virgin Islands, that's Sint Maarten and those other islands that were affected by Hurricane Irma and Hurricane Maria last September.

Speaker 5:17:34Yes,

Speaker 6:17:35[inaudible]. There's, there's other blockchain innovations happening there too with power ledger and ty can.tech are going in and doing some trialing with recording people's identification on the blockchain. So it's amazing that that area of the world is so many

Speaker 2:17:50different ways of helping to rebuild the community.

Speaker 5:17:55Having a conversation with some people from Mexico City last night as well. So by rebuilding after earthquakes. So there's been some real problems with corruption and you know, the building approvals process is not the greatest. They're concern about that. And also where the materials are coming from that had been supplied. So there's cheaper alternatives that have been swapped out. So, you know, there's, there's lots of problems in the construction industry that we were trying to solve. Yeah.

Speaker 2:18:25Could we talk about. This is something that is, uh, as, as you know, Chris [inaudible], I've been saying, can we talk about, um, one of the things that worries me about construction is the waste. And one of the big things is that a third, this is from my research, third of all waste going to landfill is from construction. And I'm just wondering how does build sort of approved to eliminate or decrease that statistic,

Speaker 5:18:55these three models that have been produced and that information is available. The next step is generally to create fabrication drawings. Let's say that you, you're using timber for your roof. Then that information would go to the timber supply. Timber supply would be able to produce the exact points that need to go to site. So that is one aspect. This took that and that could be supplied exact same, the exact lengths. So that, that's just a couple of examples. Lean construction's not just about waste materials, but there's also waste in different processes. So once again there's the every subcontractor supply it needs to do their own estimating and that takes time.

Speaker 2:19:41Yeah. And and wasting time, wasting money and, and, and a lot of the time the government is doing construction and we're all like, whoa, that's costing billions of dollars and then you wonder why is it costing billions of dollars? It's because they don't have the efficiency down pat. And then the tax payer is the one who's footing the bill because there isn't this efficiency in the construction industry, which is I guess is what builds sort is going to remedy.

Speaker 5:20:06There's been some studies in America since the 19 fifties. We're actually less productive in construction than we were in the 19 fifties

Speaker 2:20:20side of the road when you're looking at.

Speaker 5:20:22So he looked back to the 19 fifties. They used to be like the head contractor and everyone worked underneath. But because of legal disputes and union station, there's, you know, everyone, everyone's fragmented and this is what has caused most of the productivity issues. There's also been some studies by Mckenzie Global, I know there's a $10,000,000,000,000 construction industry globally now. They've done some research and I think that is one point $6,000,000,000,000 with a waste in productivity. Now we are fence or really say a little diagram showing you just how much money that looks like. So we've. We've taken the American dollar in and if you take $100 bill and you put it onto shifting, you stuck close to high, you'd actually get that across to soccer fields. So that's the kind of waste that is in the construction industry every year and

Speaker 2:21:22that's, that's impacting like heavy. I need people to think about exactly what this is doing to our planet. I mean we're talking illegal dumping as well. That's a big thing and in this country we've got regulations and that sort of deters people, but there's still illegal dumping happening everywhere of with construction waste and look at the plants, the animals. Look at the impact. I'm a vegetarian so I'm slightly passionate about this, but also look at overseas. I was following your telegram group, Chris, and you posted this post in there of construction waste being used as a support for an underground tunnel.

Speaker 5:21:58Yeah. So that was in Hong Kong and they're having some real problems with the railway infrastructure at the moment. Yeah, there's been some problems with people cutting green forcement to sure and yeah, just instead of taking the rubbish away properly, they're just mixing it with the concrete and all sorts of things.

Speaker 6:22:18Are you talking about sort of foundation problems or in terms of strength of buildings?

Speaker 5:22:23Well, instead of taking the waste offsite, what they've been doing is just mixing their waste with the concrete and then pouring walls so

Speaker 6:22:34that a compromise.

Speaker 5:22:35Yeah, they compromised. They're not what they're supposed to be a structural engineer. I saw her and Mike, what's, what are they? What are they doing here? Yeah. That's going to be some problems in the future.

Speaker 2:22:48Absolutely. And the risk to human life will the magnet,

Speaker 5:22:51it won't be nine for some time yet. Still trying to work out how big the problem is.

Speaker 6:22:57This is a quick aside, but uh, some years ago we renovated an apartment that I bought in the old center in Genova in Italy, right. Jennifer is a, is an old pirate town, so you know, between Venice and Portugal and the French, there was lots of, lots of nasty pasty business going on inside. The apartment that I lived, that I was working on was the from the 14th century. And the wolves had literally, they were just full of materials, like whatever they could find on the street. So when we would say take a wall apart to put the plumbing through or the heater, the heating or the electricity or whatever. We were finding great big what they were called marble nails. But you could literally not wrap your hands around them and they will have big chunks of marble and other construction material just as in fill in the walls. Just an interesting building aside. Lots of junk. It was also an also, do you know, the pirates would store all their golden this. So we actually found this little Nikia, this little niche, and we thought, oh my God, Oh my God. We found some golden, we didn't, but we did turn it into a really groovy walk in wardrobe.

Speaker 2:23:59Interesting pictures in the show notes.

Speaker 6:24:06Absolutely. Well, it was very unusual because the colors were used as you know, there was lots of lots of really groovy bright colors and things and there was actually vogue Italy vogue who wanted to do a piece on us because they sit on with golf. We've never seen a place like a place where the 14th century refurbished in this way. Anyway, that's me.

Speaker 2:24:23Chris, where do you see build or in a couple of years, like what is the dream for? It's a little baby at the moment, so what's your team going to look like? You're obviously going to get a shitload of ladies on onboard, but apart from that I'm just saying like he's. He's always say that, but she would be amazing, but what's your dream? What's your vision?

Speaker 5:24:45Look, when I got into this thinking, I just want to fix the problems on that has been the drain so we know that we're going to have to be able to beat and basically do what we're trying to do.

Speaker 6:25:00If you were a company working with build sort and you had clear and identifiable and accountable cost efficiencies or and you were to put that side by side with a company that wasn't using bill that was still lengthy and time consuming and non accountable and you know, whatever she'll be right mate, then you would very clearly painted. So.

Speaker 5:25:23Absolutely. So one of the things about the industry is there's lots of opportunities happen now. The opportunity is in comes around by lack of data. So you know where there's inflammation that's not quite known. That's where people on top their prices. Well we don't know about that. So we're just gonna run up and there's a lot of that going on with the data that we're talking about. We were talking about getting better models from architects and engineers so we can take out that the opportunities and that couldn't be there. So now we're, we're also compensating those people as well. I, you know, that'd be paid in tokens currency that would be on the system and that would be, I bought all of the people down the rest of the supply chain because that's, that's where the information is needed.

Speaker 6:26:15So for example, if I was an owner builder, I'm able to get involved with bill sorts. It's free, so I'm watching my costs, it's free. And by being involved with bill sorts, somehow I'm able to generate tokens, I'm able to purchase them. How does that work?

Speaker 5:26:31You'd probably want to be purchasing all of the material titles, but you'd also be driving your own project schedule on the project now that seems promotion that would be sold to the manufacturers. You'd also be buying information on project information availability from old with subcontractors so you can work out which one to slot in it. It's a real marketplace.

Speaker 2:26:56It's actually, um, I can see why these manufacturers are saying why hasn't this been done yet? Because it's not just the efficiency side, it's the savings of billions of dollars. I mean, our construction industry is worth billions of dollars like it. It's just, it's astounding really that it is a Western Australian guy with an idea who's actually creating it and I'm really proud of you. I think you're amazing. I totally get it. It's, it's absolutely revolutionary. We rely on the construction industry. I mean it's, it serves like a quarter of all incomes in, in the country. I don't know the exact statistics, but everyone knows someone who's involved in there.

Speaker 5:27:34I can show you the property council has done some stats on insert and it's 13 percent of the GDP. It's, I think it's $200, million dollars in Australia and one in four people derive some or part of their income on the sector. Gosh,

Speaker 2:27:50it's going to impact on everybody and I think the, the money and I think the budgets and you know, when it comes to the governments, I think that's going to be awesome when they can allocate maybe a little bit more money to health and education rather than, you know, all this infrastructure, which is just probably a third of it is just going to waste. And inefficiencies, maybe they could read,

Speaker 6:28:10locate some cash to blockchain technology and what was the amount that they, um, that they put towards block chain and the Australian budget recently it was just,

Speaker 2:28:21they don't understand yet. They're just, they're just little babies that don't understand light. We do have that

Speaker 6:28:26right. Is there, is. There is one more aspect that I wanted to mention to you. Um, some years ago we ran a, uh, an organization called Kim free kids and it was super carefree kids and it was about educating parents and people like that in the chemicals, in our daily life, products that we're unaware of. And through that I met a lot of a, one woman in particular who works in the construction industry in creating greenhouses. So because of a lot of the, what's it called, the off gassing and the chemicals in a lot of the building materials. So I'm guessing that that could have a very positive impact in that developing green building.

Speaker 5:29:04There's been some real problems with the industry, not just with offgassing, what's type of Perth Hospital Children's hospital. Just recently there were some real problems in that. It was filmed in, in some of the roofing system hospital.

Speaker 6:29:25Well, they just did a town hall and there was some, the guys working were um, there was heaps of lead in the paint and they were working on the streets so the lid was going into dust, you know, like I'm straight dust too that all of us are inhaling, but also the law, the actual workers themselves were developing really, really bad conditions. After working on the,

Speaker 5:29:46on the premise, what was all sorts of things like this now that would come in and stage two with built or where we start looking at the providence or the materials and where they come in and do they actually fit with the specifications that are being given by the design professionals with a purchase. The hospital, there was also an 900 fire doors that had to be replaced because they weren't up to Australian standards. There was also a found in all of the fitments over elbows in the plumbing that put lead into the war.

Speaker 2:30:22Oh my God, Chris, this is terrible.

Speaker 6:30:25This is the case, you know, in terms of plumbing, fullstop out our water works, so to speak, or a laden with lots of heavy, heavy toxic.

Speaker 5:30:35Well, you know, that shouldn't be, but there needs to be a way to track what what has gone into making the materials and I'm just yet these things kill us. Buildings can kill us.

Speaker 6:30:48My own daughter was as a newborn, she had massive heavy metal toxicity issues because of the house paint and the level of lead at minium that was in the house paint and this is a house from posts postwar, 19 fifties on the outer suburbs of Frito, but the these postwar houses that were built for the military, you know the return military where are all over Perth and as the levels, the acceptable levels of heavy metals has come down to people's neurological disorders going up. It doesn't mean that the current lead levels that are in regular pants are acceptable. It just means they've come down, but they're still totally unacceptable to the human.

Speaker 5:31:29Explains a lot about the people in Fremantle,

Speaker 2:31:36that thing. Before you go, I do have another question about the life cycle. I love lifecycle of houses. I want to go to a house and it's 100 years old and know what the construction workers did in 2011. So the thing. So with builds or let's say I build a house right now that goes into the blockchain in 100 years, will someone be able to have a look at how they're going to be able to recycle and how they going to be able to reuse the components based on all the information or in 100 years or they're not going to be able to access it? Is it going to be available for the complete life cycle analysis?

Speaker 5:32:16I'm not sure if you know, there's a couple of segments to be. So first of all is the three d, it's just the three d representation. Then you can also bring in four D, which is the time of construction in this imt, which brings in cost around each component as well. So you can really start working in how. How much is gonna cost us six days probably. We're talking here, so 60 is also bringing in all of the information that is on providence of of where materials have come from and the suppliers who installed it. All of that kind of information so you can have inflammation. Let's say you could go into this model, you can click on side of the air conditioning unit. You can find out who installed it, what the warranty information was.

Speaker 2:33:08I think that's really exciting as well for a crime scene analysis because I know I'm going a little bit left field here, but there's been a lot of bodies that have disappeared in the slabs. Imagine I'm just saying I'm not saying anything to do with mafia or anything. I'm saying accents, some mouth play. Anyway, not going to go down there, but anyway, I'm just imagining like, you know, police go in and they're like, who worked on this construction site and there's no real history or log of the workers who are onsite at that time. And, and I've just been thinking then imagine if someone went missing and there was a complete 110 percent like ledger of who was there and maybe perhaps this guy was going through a midlife crisis and then at that time his wife disappeared and then it's all on, you know, like it's all in the blockchain. All these workers, everything that they're doing

Speaker 6:34:06crime that is very left of sentiment of

Speaker 5:34:11who knows, we could build a tab for that.

Speaker 2:34:14Well who, who's onsite really interests me because when you, when my partner and I go to a site like just to measure or whatever, this is someone's home, this is and they don't really know who you are and they've got people coming in to do measures and quotes and no one actually has a report or a log or a distributed ledger of who these people are who are coming into their home and doing certain things in their home. And I just think for a matter of privacy, when I go to build my dream home, which is not far off, I'm really awkward about people coming into my home and doing what we do in other people's homes. You know, there's that element,

Speaker 5:34:52the people's homes. That's, that's the real question.

Speaker 2:34:56All sorts of things. I can't really disclose that right now. And some of them have furnished and some of them are.

Speaker 6:35:05There are children listening. I'm sorry. It's a very interesting thing. And I, I'm a mom and my partner is away a lot and when people come to do stuff at the house, often they'll have, they'll appear at first thing in the morning apart from the fact that's what I'm trying to drive the tribe to school and stuff. It's like there's a man on my doorstep first thing in the morning, who are you and why you're here. And it might have been organized. I absolutely get your drift, Amy Rose, that you can have a complete stranger rock up at your house. And sometimes I even have to the house for them

Speaker 3:35:38while I leave because I'm in the middle of something else. So there's a lot of,

Speaker 2:35:42that's what I mean in the building and construction. Like you get up, you have a plumber that's coming around, you can't be there and he's rummaging around through your undies drawer. And so with built thought you're like, well I'll just have a look at this ledger. That guy took my favorite undies.

Speaker 3:35:57I thought we were going to go somewhere way worse. Then I just, I can just see I have such high hopes of build. So because it's so big,

Speaker 2:36:09it's knowing what people are doing and why they're doing it and how they're doing it. And that's what I'm excited about it.

Speaker 7:36:15It's A. Yeah, it is a big project and we've got an amazing team that is on Honda so we can pull it off.

Speaker 3:36:22Well, you've got another mate look at. They look at the creative ideas that have just come through this conversation. Please don't give up on that. We're going to save every lady's undies on the planet. We can be your wacky division. Okay. We can be the outfit, we're going to be the marble, the marble males in the underwear division. I'm so sorry to take a little listeners down that path and I regret that, but it's saying do not regret a moment of it. All right, Chris, thank you so much. I'm actually a Beta. You're going to ask the magic question. Oh yeah. Chris, can you tell us what your favorite quote is? It might be a saying. It might be a quote. It might be something that gets you through progress is better than perfection. Perfect. Well, thank you. That's all. That very much, uh, depicts crypto clothesline. Really. It doesn't. It made me a little bit of little bit of class. We're where we're discovering the class. I think a big one. It's just not good. That's all good. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Well, I'm not quite sure how we got from building materials into your undies drawer, but it was a very entertaining interview.

Speaker 2:37:40I don't mind. I might actually put an photograph of my mds drawer in this way.

Speaker 3:37:47That was a really good interview, wasn't it? I am a huge fan of Chris Dorian. He's, he's just got such a wealth of knowledge and it's, it's like what he's taken on is such a huge project and yet I think they're doing an amazing job bringing it all together. There are wonderful team too, aren't they?

Speaker 2:38:04They are. And do you know what I'm really worried about? And I mentioned this to my friend Courtney Billington and he's from latitude at blockchain services. I was saying that I feel like I'm watching a monopoly game when it comes to other big companies eating up all the little ICO they're under. They're amazing projects and all I can say is like with builds or, and I keep saying this, someone is going to buy you at can you guys just plays hanging their joint, take $10,000,000. You could, you could have the next best bim modeling system. You could be amazing and yeah, it just feels like people, companies adjust. Going to gobble up all the little guys and become the big super power in the crypto and blockchain space.

Speaker 3:38:46Well, that's a really good point because if you think about it, there's not a place on earth that doesn't need safe building. There's not a place on earth that doesn't need communication between all the facets of the industry and this is not a place on earth that doesn't need to take chem free building. So yeah, like you said it, there's literally no one that wouldn't be affected by built whether they're aware of it.

Speaker 2:39:06He mentioned that he goes around and he presents his software to people and they're gobsmacked that it doesn't already exist and they're immediately interested in. They immediately want to start using it and I think in the next couple of weeks he will have his software available to trial and you will have to apply to use to test the software, but still people are loving his software.

Speaker 3:39:31Wow, that's amazing. And it's really fantastic. But this is another initiative coming out of fremantle. We've got power ledger is like a little free man, not a little how religious freedom mental baby. There's so many wonderful projects coming out of Perth and fremantle specifically. I know that you're in Brisbane, which is a very upbeat and funky crypto blockchain blockchain seen, but we've got some really solid projects developing here as well.

Speaker 2:39:53Yeah, I think Australia is actually a little bit of a. A Unicorn.

Speaker 3:39:59Let me. We. You only have one.

Speaker 2:40:02No, we're sparkly and were amazing and we are about to be silicon Australia.

Speaker 3:40:08There's this little song in Italian that I teach in my class and it's like the two snakes went on and the two elephants went on. Where's the Unicorn? They couldn't find the Unicorn as a. So it's a song about Noah's Ark. Not that I'm religiously inclined, but it's kind of cute, so I might put that in the show notes. It's pretty cute. So really excited that amy is coming to visit me here in the west of obviously not just me. She's got family and other people who love her, but you're coming over,

Speaker 2:40:33got some public speaking gigs to do and a couple of projects to work on and also we need to catch up every three months for the podcast just so that we have some face to face, cuddle time

Speaker 3:40:48and sit there and drink coffee and. Oh No, you're not coffee. You're not after that. No,

Speaker 2:40:53we have to put coffee on the blockchain. We need to know where it's coming from, but that is a story for another episode

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Speaker 3:41:53Okay. Another one of your guests theory, perplexing, confusing, and just very confusing information that you ladies tend to like to present on this podcast. Another one of your guests said that there was some sort of, you know, online directory where you could find skilled workers on some block chain. Now, why would I go out and trouble myself to have to look for a chain, find the blocks, find some workers who was skilled to give me a quote on a job in my own home when they live in the Ukraine or somewhere else on the other side of the world. I mean, hello. How's that going to help me? Number two, I've got the yellow pages. Oh, I remember little fingers do the walking and it works just fine for me. Why do you need to reinvent the wheel? You Lot

Speaker 1:42:55cool.

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