Speaker 1:0:31Oh, do we tell you the story about how we got scanned today? Oh, what happened? So there's this company, I'm not going to name any names, but the company, they didn't do anything wrong. Well maybe they did, I don't know, but it's basically a little bit like air tasker. It's, it's where tradies go to get work. Basically you post your task on people post their task on this, on the site and then they and then a tradie picks up the job and you get sort of quotes, maintenance stuff. And Daniel, my partner who said I can tell this story, it's okay. He just wants to warn other people that even geniuses because we can get scammed. So a person who said they'll cooling on behalf of this company said to my partner, can we place upgrade your account so that you don't have to pile these phase anymore?
Speaker 1:1:30And it'll be like half the price, you'll get more jobs. And he was like, okay, that sounds great, Mr. Okay. We just need to take some of your details. Is that. No, no, no, no. I'm not giving you any my details. I'll look up the number and I'll do all my research and I'll speak to you later. Anyway, so he did some research, the numbers matched up and stuff and and they sent him an email and he doesn't have an ife emails like I do because they are very tricky when they're scams and so he ended up thinking the email was legit. They called back and said, are you ready to take the deal? He said, yes, this is gonna be amazing. And handed over his credit card details to make a payment.
Speaker 1:2:17Three hundred and $50. And so what happened a couple of days later, we're like, well, how come your jobs coming through exactly like they used to, why are you still paying this amount? Blah Blah. Or he called the company and they said, you've been scammed. That scam is going around, and he got really angry. He's like, so he knew this guy was going around. You didn't let any of your customers know. Now I would start really our job to do that. Oh my gosh. He fell for it. Hook, line, and sinker. Oh Gosh. Three hundred $50 into somebody's bank account. That's right. And you know what he said to me a couple of days ago, he was like, oh yeah, this awesome deal came up. And I'm like, well, that sounds great. He told me a bit about it. He said he was a bit Sassy. I was just so busy with stuff. I was just like, he knows what he's doing, it'll be fine. And he talked me through a bit of it and I was like, sounds legit.
Speaker 2:3:06Well, I mean we don't micromanage our partners and if you'll do this, something really, really wrong. I mean we, we expect that our partners are able to make informed and intelligent choices and it's not. So he did it, but it's not like we, we, Gosh, if we looked over our shoulders at every business decision or every request or every, everything that they buy online or we'd go bonkers, wouldn't we? An audit like, you know, being micromanaged. No.
Speaker 1:3:30Yeah, you just don't question every phone call that you know. I mean, we run a business
Speaker 2:3:35really annoying. We, we're actually talking about this today because a call came in and the first thing the color did was ask for identification of my partner. Right. And he's one of these people that talks to people whereas I just go, no, thank you and hang out because I'm a total cow when it comes to telemarketers end up being one, so I get it both ways, but I just do not tolerate people in many privacy in that way. I know I was, I was selling, I was saying to him that for out for you and me for a joint bank account, the bank in question called me and this will be for. I can speak to you. We need to identify you. And I said, well before I can speak to I need to identify you and the woman or the end of the line absolutely cracked up.
Speaker 2:4:12And I just said like, tell me what our secret business number is. That's only specific to our account, like tell me what that number is. And I had it sitting right in front of me, but she actually, she told me what it was and it was all fun, but she actually applauded me for challenging her [inaudible] she goes, I ring business clients all the time and no one ever asks me to identify myself. I hadn't even occurred to me. And you, you have every right to know who I am before you spill the beans on who you are.
Speaker 1:4:39But you and I are different kettle of fish.
Speaker 2:4:41Yeah. But like I just actually resent it when somebody rings you up, they don't even say hello. How are you? What's the weather like in Perth? I know it's small talk, but they're just good name. You know what, whatever it is, mother's maiden name or whatever the crap is that they want to know. But um, I have to be a bit speedy today because Umbra is apparently going to be appearing on the news. I don't watch TV. So we have the TV specially connected just for this event a little bit.
Speaker 1:5:12You're a little girl is going to be on the TV remote?
Speaker 2:5:17Yeah. She's, she's part of a wrapping crew and she's about half the height of everyone else on the stage.
Speaker 1:5:24I wish I could watch it. Are you going to record it?
Speaker 2:5:26I'll record it on my phone. I know that's really the end of fall off me, but it's the best way I can do it. I don't have any, any other recording devices and like I said, we only literally disconnected the TV today because I'm so happy to say we like you.
Speaker 1:5:40So who did we interview this week and this is pretty exciting for you?
Speaker 2:5:46Well, we had Derrick Graham and he is from first digital capital, but he's actually the main sponsor of blockchain economy, which is an event happening in Perth next week and we've invited to be media partners that I'm really bummed out that you won't be here, but I don't expect you to fly over for one night.
Speaker 1:6:04What the, you will hear very shortly about some of the cool stuff that Derek has done and I'm, I don't know, I like to hear about the soft things is there's a lot about blockchain and crypto and or you know, I don't know, sometimes there's a bit of a Snob, but I like to hear about the things that people have done in their lives and what I really liked when I was stalking him was the stuff about when he was a team leader for driving dreams for the
Speaker 2:6:33make a wish foundation. I don't know. I just imagine all these quarters. Yeah. You started talking about the Porsche Club. That I instantly got this very elitist, um, categorization happening in my brain. I don't know if I'm the only one, but the only portion we have in our house is a remote control yellow one that my daughter bought for $30 from Kmart with her birthday buddy. But he, he said it. He said it's the Porsche Club, not the posh clubs. And I'm like, yeah, right. But actually the way that he described the way, the way that this club or this, this gathering of Porsche enthusiastic, um, opened up their hearts and their cars to, um, to make life sort of joyful and fun for these little people who have some illnesses and challenges in hospital was just beautiful. Such a lovely story. I'd love to. Let's have a listen. Yeah. Welcome to Crypto clothesline. We're speaking today with Derrick Graham and he is coming to talk to us about, well, about many things, but part of what we're talking about today is the event of blockchain economy. It's a world tour and it's coming to Perth very, very soon. Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Speaker 3:7:38Certainly blockchain economy is the second of our community events that we've created. The first being in Sydney on the first of May, what we're doing is we're just simply creating a community where both a crypto and blockchain professionals, business people that are wanting to learn more about blockchain specifically, and of course investors can all come along too and commingled, meet and talk, and that's what we're creating with the second event. That's on Tuesday the 21st of August. So that's this Tuesday coming.
Speaker 1:8:08I know Derek, he just spoke that blockchain economy and then it's an event and, and that sort of thing. But I still don't get it. I still don't get what it like. Is it for investors to come and check out projects or is it about letting the public know about what's happening in the blockchain arena?
Speaker 3:8:24So blockchain economy, its purpose is to create a community where education is the core of it and networking is the, is part of what happens there too. So that means good speakers and we've bought over Justin Dombroski from New York City. Uh, Justin has been an advisor that price waterhouse corporate for many years and he's advising on the implementation of blockchain and cryptocurrencies can be effective for the accounting arena amongst other things. And Professor David [inaudible] who is a dean of finance at Nyu, New York City and he's over here supporting University of Western Australia. So great opportunity to have him speak. And of course, Scott Stornetta, who in 1991 along with at harbor, created the foundation of what is now the blockchain. Three great speakers. Needless to say, the audience you know, is already sitting at an excessive 200 cars, not often. You get such big as in the room and in this case it's nice to have that free time.
Speaker 2:9:20So you were actually telling me prior to US starting recording that you're at capacity, so are you going to be taking any more tickets so you're going to be selling any more tickets or how do you manage that?
Speaker 3:9:30So it's a good question. So we're, we're white listing people at the moment and we're trying to work out whether we might be able to put another 30 or 40 people into an event we have at lunchtime on the same day. It's funny with these scenes, you wonder how many will turn up and how many will be interested in. Not a lot of activity happens in four days beforehand. You wonder whether that was a good idea in 10 days beforehand. All of a sudden you're wondering where you're going to put them all.
Speaker 2:9:54Yeah. It's quite a common thing. It was to. I believe that it happens in other places too, like event organizers sort of tear their hair out right out, you know? Right up until the last moment, and then next thing you know, it's where we put them all. You know, we need more chairs.
Speaker 3:10:10Oh, it's not dissimilar by memory. We had very few tickets sales probably 14 days before and in the last nine days, 150 people signed up to attend.
Speaker 2:10:20There must be a science around that. Something about the momentum that's created in the conversations that happen and that sense of urgency and pressure in the buildup. The very last minute, because we seem to be a bit of a last minute nation, don't we? I think it's,
Speaker 3:10:34it's Fomo. Everyone all of a sudden is paranoid about missing out, particularly when they go out and look at a decent set of speakers and they go, oh my gosh, I should be at this. But interesting enough, I spoke to the organizers of consensus out of New York City and they were saying despite giving very substantial discounts the month before, people still left it to the last minute and paid as much as twice the amount to get in. We're not unique to this area.
Speaker 2:10:58No, that makes sense. I was interested, Derek, you originally had some pretty powerful women speakers at the event, but is it due to the fact that you've reduced it to one evening or perhaps a lunchtime in an evening? That there are no women on the agenda at the time?
Speaker 3:11:13In this case, all of our speakers from overseas and they're all from New York City one way or another and we also have some loan hearst joining us and she's from the center's group over in New York, which is a large investment fund, but you also is an active member of the Tech Fest Club in New York City, so she'll be joining our panel afterwards, which is ask a crypto expert. Anything panel
Speaker 2:11:38ask a crypto anything. Oh, that sounds pretty cool at bat. You have to get in there and interfere. Definitely will simone, simone hearst is also, if you have a look through some of her, one of the things she. She's actually very funny. I think you'll find that she's quite humorous, but she calls herself the chief glue up officer, you know that. I guess that would be the person who holds everything together at crypto connections. Yeah, that's, that's, that's also interesting. Oh, I'm a bit jealous of Ado. I'd like to go there and have a look at this lady. I wish you were coming to. We, uh, we were living on opposite sides of the country. It has its pluses, but it's certainly a long way to go to go and visit her for various things. However, however, let's, let's continue with your, with your story. Derek, you're the guests not asked. Sorry about that.
Speaker 3:12:34Brisbane and we only see each other occasionally.
Speaker 2:12:39Yeah, I felt it all the way home with a five and a half hour flight as opposed to the way there with the three and a half hour flight. Like that external headwinds. My Gosh, it takes a long time to get home. Derek, could you tell us how a dot Scott Stornetta, that's a really interesting story and who stopped disgust in there?
Speaker 3:12:55So Scott Stone, it is a fascinating gentleman. His name's, he's titled as a doctor and his, a phd. He has. And, and Scott was the original developer of the concept of the blockchain. Um, and I met him first through a group that we've engaged and we work with out of New York City and then he was introduced to us. So we immediately went, well we liked this fellow. He's absolutely charming and he's very bright and so I got to catch up with Scott a couple of times in New York City and one of the Times was wondering through the Metropolitan Museum, looking at ancient currencies, talking about, you know, the creation of blockchain and how he might see that impacting on the future. But he told me the story about how he, he came to create the concept of this, of this observed chain of title. And I'm happy to share that with you if you're interested.
Speaker 3:13:48So Scott used to work for bell labs and that was part of the bell telephone network in the US and in the early 19 nineties, the tech structure, Phil Bell labs was such, the employing a research officer actually made the money on the spot so they had buildings full of research offices and um, and they were employing some really bright guys but didn't really have something to work on. So in the ultimate way research can be created, Scott came in and was told by the other researchers there, why don't you spend a little bit of time thinking about what you might like to research. And so after a period of time he decided I'm going to raise such a way of making a digital file, indelible, unbreakable, unchangeable. So you knew that if it had been changed then you knew it had been changed and it was no longer the original file.
Speaker 3:14:40We're talking 1991. So this is before the Internet and um, you know, before very high speed computers, but definitely the time when people were rapidly adopting pcs. And so he went off for a period of, he went and worked with Joe and harbor who also worked with bell labs and the went off for a period of six months to prove that this could be done and then decided it couldn't be done and like good scientists. They then spent the next three months trying to prove it couldn't be done and they couldn't prove that it couldn't be done and so they then spent time wondering and cogitating on it, but on a Sunday at lunchtime when he was standing in a queue at a friendlies, a restaurant over in Morris town, he suddenly thought to himself, why does sick? I'm in acute. There's a person in front of me and another person and another person and another person and a cashier and all around me of people in seats observing us in a cube, and he suddenly had the Aha moment.
Speaker 3:15:37He went, that's it. If we link all the files together, Hashtag the files, linked them together in a chain and the audience observes us. Then we are this chain of title observed by an audience. And broadly, that's how he created his 19, 91 paper, which is cited three times through said Motos bitcoin paper. What Saint Tashi then did is he took that basic concept of Shane have titles observed by a crowd and put that on a distributed ledger. That's the crowd. And then provided of course, incentives for minors to be able to mind or enable ledger managers to do the transactions. And so that is the creation, that journey of what was the very early stages of the creation of the blockchain.
Speaker 2:16:26That's very interesting. That aha moment in the middle of the restaurant. It kind of reminds me of, um, you know, with the detective finally finds the piece that falls into place and boom, the whole mysteries, peace of soul. I have a mystery though, is Scott still netter said Tashi.
Speaker 3:16:43Oh, he's funny because Scott originally spent some time in Japan and he speaks Japanese at one stage, certainly fluently. He was there and he's early twenties. And so quite a few people hypothesized about him being said, Tashi Nigga Moto is clear. Answer is no. If you look at my code, you realize it's nowhere near good enough. And so, um, so the answer is no,
Speaker 2:17:09that you can just, no one wants to be Sitoshi because he'd just be captured in, experimented on or something because he's so amazing, but I don't know if I was the dodgy, I wouldn't come out for various reasons. He might just downplays code now, you know, make it look dodgy or something isn't. I'm Scott started, uh, I'm originally a high school teacher. Math teacher.
Speaker 3:17:33Scott is a master teacher currently. He's been teaching for a number of years in Morris town. So he's a, he's a great presenter because he's a lecturer, he's a teacher, so his neck, he has that ability to communicate, which is really, which is really lovely.
Speaker 2:17:47Wow. So it's so interesting to hear the, uh, the stories behind like the event looks so amazing. It looks so professional, of course. And the lineup of speakers, the whole thing, it looks incredible, but to hear actually the incremental development behind the seat and even years back, how it all comes to be itself. It's fascinating to put the human back into work extensively. Looks like a highly professional event, which of course it will be.
Speaker 3:18:11So it'd be really when, when we create these things. I've traditionally created community events yet on. I'm not an active member of community outside creating events and being in those communities. So in the past I've created charity events. Um, I run a charity event now once a month called classic cars and coffee and it meets on Sunday at Uwa in their biggest car park there. And we started that about 19 months ago because a whole lot of car enthusiasts decided it'd be nice to meet on a Sunday morning and drink a coffee. And our very first event we had 67 cars turn up and we'd decided no, this is a good thing. And now the events every month and we have between 350 and 550 cars and one and a half thousand people turn up for coffee.
Speaker 1:18:58This, um, you're involved and have been involved mostly maybe because you love Porsche a little bit more than everyone else. But there's a lot, of course loving going on and one of the things after being double o seven style on you, I found that you've done heaps of gigs for make a wish foundation. Can you, can you tell us about why you were involved with make a wish, what you know, what, what are some of the stories that came out of that? I
Speaker 3:19:28think about creating a community like blockchain economy is you never know what's gonna come of it. Something does and often many something's good, but you don't know because you can't calculate it. And I'll get back to blockchain economy shortly. But it was the same thing with creating what we call driving for dreams, for the make a wish foundation. I had a time when I had a little bit of time available had I had three months off and I decided over that three month period of time I would do an event with a Porsche club. And the Porsche Club in Western Australia is. Israel is a club of great enthusiasm accounts with the Porsche plug. We're not the Porsche club. And so we just love our cars. So we thought what could we do? And, and I sat next to the chairman of the, a wish at a function and said, do you think wish kids would like cars?
Speaker 3:20:13And she just looked at me instead of course. And I said, well, how about we do this event, how about we get 20 children and um, and we put them in selection of 50 cars and we do a convoy and let's see if we can raise, you know, maybe $5,000 c and um, and she goes, Yep, that'd be a lovely died idea. So we started the process up, but in classic community form, the first thing I always do is ask other communities to help. So I asked you the Rotary Club, I asked other other distributors have cars and stuff within Perth, fremantle community, whether would get involved, et cetera. Anyway, 90 days later for the first of what is for make a wish events. Um, we had 156 porsche, turnip, everything children and we raised $45,000 on the first page. That's incredible. Well, you'll like the next one because the very next event we did, which was the same, approximately the same time the following year, we put it together with people knew now what driving for dreams was.
Speaker 3:21:15And um, the police were involved. We had 13 police vehicles allowing us to convoy straight through the city and up to some wonderful locations where that, where the kids could see cars racing around tracks and things like this. And uh, and needless to say, you know, that created a lot of activities. So the next time we did it we had 208 cans. Now at that time we considered that was about one in six of every porsche that was in the Perth city. So it was a pretty good turnout. But this is the part that was really great. And that is, I had this fellow called me and he said to me, Derek, he said, I'm going to 1971, nine slash 11. And he said, um, he said, uh, acid. Excellent. I said, luckily he caught me and he said it in speed, yellow and wonderful color. And he said, I'd like to give it to you and went, excellent.
Speaker 3:22:02So do you want someone to drive it for you or what? And he goes, no, no, I want to give it to you. Give it to us because I'd like to donate it to you. I know you're serious. And he goes, yes, I'm serious. You said I've had a lovely time driving the car is that I don't have a need for it any longer and I'd like to donate it to make a wish. And I went, I'll be around in 10 minutes. So. So I called up a friend in the trade so to speak. And I said, I've got a great story with a happy ending. Can I meet you at this location? At any rate? We arrived and it was a lovely, what we call an honest car. And he, he appraised the value of it at that time I think of about 17 or $18,000.
Speaker 3:22:42It was some time ago before portions boomed in price. And, and I kind of thought, well it's a lovely car. And so he was at the head of the convoy and it went up onto the stage and we auction the car and we sold it for 27 and a half thousand dollars and the fellow that loves her to bits has rebuilt it, the cars in fabulous condition now it's probably worth about 90. So everyone did really well out of that and it was a very happy ending. And the car now, of course has the providence of its history of being option that the make a wish foundation. Driving
Speaker 2:23:19on that note about providence. That was my next question is, well, I have two questions. First of all, for the audience that don't necessarily understand what maker wishes could you please talk about what that is and what their purpose is. And secondly, given that this is a charity, is it on the blockchain? Like can we see the providence of this yellow Porsche nine slash 11? Is it recorded anywhere on blockchain? Given that this is the full service?
Speaker 3:23:44Okay. So firstly, make a wish is a lovely charity because it creates, um, wishes for children that have got life threatening diseases. They're not necessarily terminal, but they had that they are certainly life threatening. And that creates, for me, this anxiety, obviously not just the children but for the entire family. So when we took the children out in these cars, we took all the families, we took mom, dad, brothers, sisters, the lot. They all came out and they were scattered through the cars. Cars aren't very big. So there's quite a few family members, number of cars, um, and um, and, and that was really to create a day of fun and joy and the brief for make a wish I'm driving for drains was the mission statement and I think I can still remember it. And that was to share the joy of owning a push to create fun and joyful all consent and to raise money and awareness for make a wish.
Speaker 3:24:37So therefore, you know, make a wish is all about creating some joy for, for the children. And in fact, post the driving for dreams events, I regularly would speak with the, make a wish people. And if they rang up and said, look, we've got a little boy. And uh, and he had really liked to go for a drive and a cow or a little boys having a birthday and he likes portions. I would make a few phone calls and we would turn up to his house. One particular day was lovely. This little boy loves turbo Porsche, particular look of a car with a whale towel out the back, et cetera. And I said to the lady, I said, certainly. I said, does he have a particular color he likes? And she said, yes, he likes blue. And I went, no problem. So on the Saturday morning, five blue turbocharged portions arrived and parked on his front yard. And um, and he came from the backyard and uh, and the mom said, come out to the front yard and have a look in this five cars waiting there. And we picked him, his friends up and we went for a one hour drive out into the country and bank. It was a lovely day.
Speaker 1:25:43I'm one of these people who can just forever listen to beautiful stories and have a bit of a cry that says me. It looks like Derek. I'm a beatty. Has dropped out. Derek, can you, can you tell me how you went from being in this corporate world to creating events for the, for the blockchain community?
Speaker 3:26:07Um, certainly, you know, the, the corporate world not dissimilar to enthusiasts in car clubs and things like that often want to get engaged in community. The thing about creating a community event is you never know what comes off the event. Um, and normally good things come off the event. And so in creating blockchain economy, our company first digital capital, which is a fund management company, is able to create a community and engage with it. Talk about what first digital capital does and be able to hear about what other community members are doing. All in all, if I'm structured well, we created a lovely community event and at the same time great networking and learning opportunities and people get to learn more about what the first digital capital does.
Speaker 1:26:55Well, that's really exciting because you've got 200 people who were interested in, in both the corporate world and blockchain all going to be together at this one event. Slightly jealous that I don't get to be there, but if you really have and it's, and it's sold out, so you really have created a community event that is successful. I mean, we haven't seen it yet, but I'm guessing it's going to be amazing.
Speaker 3:27:19Yeah, it should be very good. In fact, not only are we sold out and there's a whiteness getting created, but we're having to create a sort of a special overflow event for the lunch time where we will create a luncheon event with Grand Thought Grant, Fulton Accounting Company, um, and we might take up to 55 people for lunchtime to listen to the speakers talk about, um, where blockchain is heading and give first digital capital opportunity to speak about the fact that we're a fund manager and we, we invest in funds of funds. In other words, we, we invest in funds to get a spread across the blockchain economy in. That means that ultimately by the end of the day, I guess we've spoken to nearly 250 people and we've met a lot of people in. A lot of people have learned a lot of things and um, and, and it shouldn't be, it should be a good community gate. And today is August the 21st. That's Tuesday coming up.
Speaker 1:28:16Well this is super exciting. Thank you so much derek for coming on and talking to us about this nice little amalgamation between the corporate world and the blockchain community. So I, I'm very jealous at a bat. Is going to be there. She's a media partner and she's going to be speaking with a lot of the guests there and also a lot of the presenters. So thank you so much for having cryptic close on onboard. Derek.
Speaker 3:28:41You're so welcome. We're delighted to have you help us out and we're delighted to be able to share within your community too. Thank you.
Speaker 1:28:48Thanks Derek. Bye.
Speaker 2:28:50So I completely missed the last chunk of that. I don't know what happened. My Internet died. Can you fill me in on the last bit?
Speaker 1:28:56Yeah, he was just basically he's come from a really corporate world and he, he takes his knowledge and he creates community events and he, he brings blockchain community together because a lot of the projects that he is involved in, not directly but in his company. So he wanted to go basically you wanted to bring the corporate into the blockchain community and that's what he's done here and it's a really wish I could come, but you are going to be reporting live
Speaker 2:29:32Tuesday. I'm still going to be reporting live. It's going to be so much fun. So I'm really looking forward to trying to um, you know, back into a quarter each of the speakers, but especially I want to speak to some of these amazing women that are going to be there too. And the guy who's not Natasha but probably is the Toshi was robbed, the tip, good to go. Does he know Satoshi? Did they have like sandwiches together in the staff room or something? You know, they could have had the most Balal moments together, but if he didn't know that information, like let's assume he's not Satoshi and he knows that what she, wouldn't it be amazing if you knew who the person was but you couldn't dive. I don't divulge information. Rather a rather challenging. Oh, reminds me of Clark Kent and Superman. But does he have a telephone booth?
Speaker 2:30:20I'm pretty sure this Scott Guy who's not Sitoshi Scott Scott or she got really stoned. That's Italian is probably Sitoshi just saying by, not only by day Scott don't plant seeds of the poor man will be, will be flanked by a stork is not already. Anyway, go, go watch your daughter on the TV. I will and I'm super excited and I shall let you know how it all goes. I'm going to try. I'm going to try and get it on the Internet anyway with all that. That's why, that's why I sent you the email today. Hoping that you with your tech dds would be able to work out because it's already something for me to know how to turn on the TV, let alone find it. Alright, catch you next week. Right bet. And David Rose had crypto closed. Leave a message after the.
Speaker 1:31:36Then when one of your podcasts, I heard you ladies speaking at an organization where I could spend money like send my very own money to somebody in another country that needed it. Why would you reinvent the wheel? I am already donating to one lovely family in Africa. I think it needs. I don't know. I haven't looked at the letters for a little while, but as far as I know I spend a certain amount every week have done for the last 18 years. I have no problem with the fact that APP to 80 percent of my contributions are being spent on admin. Those people need to be able to fund their porches. Otherwise, how would they be able to get from the airport to the schools and the other facilities that I am helping with my contributions to better their lives of Athens. Really lighting's really get with the, you know, just get,
Speaker 4:32:40get with it or you don't get out.